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THE KNICKERBOCKER FAMILY

Yes – We are all related! The fun part is proving it.  

 

February 2018

This web site was started 20 years ago to support the Knickerbocker Historical Society at Schaghticoke, NY and to provide a spot for sharing family information. The genealogy world has greatly changed from my publishing a paper family newsletter in the 90s to having massive commercial on-line sites and DNA based genealogy available today.

I have kept this site available to provide the base family genealogies and as a link to the Society. Research of a more general nature will always have a home here. Welcome Cousin.

[Picture of our Middlefield House]

 

 

 

 

A Sanity Test - FTDNA Y Resuls

James and I split the cost of an incognito re-test of my FTDNA 37 panel Y test. After my first cousin Bob tested it turned out that I had two mutations that he did not. My re-test got the same results so my Dad passed two mutations on to me. It blows the one mutation per 8-10 generation rule of thumb in the 37 panel. We have to look at Y testing differently and you now need multiple test takers to prove a particular line.

 

I kidded Dave that he was from an Alien line of Knicks as there were 6 degrees of separation between our two tests. With this proof of my multiple very recent mutations I wonder if Dave and his Alvin line might suffer from the same problem. Dave has one mutation in common with one of the Lawrence testers. I think this points to the need to recruit many more Y testers if we are ever going to make genetic sense of this family and remove the very recent mutations from consideration.

 

I believe we need to salt James’s testing fund and then search for and recruit test candidates from those lines that would enhance our understanding.

 

Origins of the Family Name – A New Study

Bryan has delivered a massive three part study of the various naming patterns associated with Harmen Janse. From my view we can totally discard the conjecture of the previous 150 years. This study is ground-breaking in scope and in the discovery and presentation of new documentation.

Until now, one of the primary sources for Knickerbocker genealogists was a 1916 study by Kathlyne Viele.  I've always had a mixed view of Ms. Viele.  She did great work in debunking the false "Van Berghen" story that was invented by Joseph and John Knickerbocker and then propagated by Egbert Viele.  However, Ms. Viele replaced the earlier myths with her own "Van Wie" story, without providing any supporting evidence.

I’ve thought for many years that the immigrant was a simple farmer and the names he used were indicative of locale or vocation. This new study adds weight to that premise. Hopefully this will spark a broader discussion, and generate energy for further work on the true roots of our ancestor, Harmen Janse.

 

·        Many Names of Harmen Janse – Part 1 - Van Turkeyen and Van Bommel  Link

·        Many Names of Harmen Janse – Part 2 - Van Wye  Link

·         Many Names of Harmen Janse – Part 3 – Van Berghen  Link 

 


Previous Original  Studies

 

·        Original Pronunciation of Knickerbocker  Link

·        Origin of the Name Knickerbocker  Link

·        Chester Center Cemetery – Collaboration and A Find A Grave Study  Link

·         John Knickerbocker & Lydia Jackson Link

·         Migrations of the Early Knickerbockers  Link

·         Many Benjamin Knickerbockers  Link

·         Hugh Knickerbocker and Rachel Schram  Link

·        The Father of Solomon Knickerbocker (1812-92) Identified  Link

·         Analysis of the Kathlyne Viele Genealogy with Translations Link


 

Contact:
Howard Knickerbocker
- mailto:knic@knic.com
Bryan Knickerbocker - mailto:bryan@knic.com

 

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