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·          Historical Society

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·         Interviews & Video

·        2019 Mansion Schedule


·         The New 1850 Based

·         Van Alstyne 1908

·         Historic Genealogies


·             Documents - Reports

·             Alvin Search

·             DNA

·             Finding Aids

·             Early Census Listings

·             Archived Email

·             Databases        

Family Background

·         Knotable Knics

·         Mug Books

·         Reunions

·         The Origins of the Name

·         Early Newsletters

·         Kathlyne Viele

·         Harper’s Magazine - 1876

·         Home Page Archive        



Yes – We are all related! The fun part is proving it.


May 2019

This web site was started over 20 years ago to support the Knickerbocker Historical Society at Schaghticoke, NY and to provide a spot for sharing family information. The genealogy world has greatly changed from my publishing a paper family newsletter in the 90s to having massive commercial on-line sites and DNA based genealogy available today.

I have kept this site available to provide the base family genealogies and as a link to the Schaghticoke Society. Knickerbocker Research will always have a home here. Welcome Cousin - w­­­­­e are all related.

Late Breaking – The Society Needs Your Support

The Knickerbocker Historical Society is requesting donations to purchase the iconic 1805 sketch of Johannes and Elizabeth Knickerbocker. The drawing will be lost to the family if $6,000 is not raised for its purchase. This portrait belongs at the Mansion.

I never pass the hat for the Society or but this time I am asking - as the greater family really owes this one to Stana’s memory and everything KHS has accomplished.

Link to Go Fund Me or send a check (noting that it is for the portrait) to KHS.

Thank you, Howard


New Study – Alexander Hamilton & The Knickerbockers

This is Bryan’s new 32-page study that puts the early Knickerbocker presence in Dutchess County into sharp focus. It extracts a boat load of family information from the history of Alexander Hamilton’s law practice. Harmen Jansen bought a large piece of the original Schuyler patent that was partially stolen by Robert Livingston in one of the largest land thefts in American history. I had always wondered about the manors and patents. This study shows they were nothing but land grabs and thefts by well-connected people - and the Knickerbockers were present and witness at the inception. The early family story evolves. Don’t miss it. Link


Knickerbockers of Central New York

This is the link to Bryan’s Ancestry web site where most of his research eventually appears. Link


On-going DNA Investigations

A glimpse at recent autosomal research by our expert John Smeltzer. Contact James Lloyd with any questions on our “Y” DNA studies.

 On Apr 8, 2019 John Smeltzer <> wrote:

 FYI - noted a "new" autosomal DNA match between my father (John F. Smeltzer Sr.) and a kit at Ancestry this morning - here's the link:

Matching my Dad's brother too at about 40 cM of matching over 3 chromosome segments (a decent match).
A descendant of Alvin 1799 and Lucinda Kelly if correct. I've sent a note to them with an introduction and offer to assist with upload details to GEDmatch.
Ancestry alias name is:    JoAnnWilson37

John F. Smeltzer - Colorado / Iowa


A reply from: Bryan Knickerbocker

John - very useful DNA. Alvin the Elder had a daughter Althea (1831-1911) who is easy to trace.   Althea married a man named Obed Califf.  Althea and Obed Califf moved to Muskegon MI.


In 1850, Althea Knickerbocker was still single, and lived with the family of David Califf and his wife Harriet, in Bradford PA.   David and Harriet Califf also wound up in Muskegon. I had always been reluctant to claim that Harriet's maiden name was Knickerbocker, because the records are confusing.   On the other hand, though, George Walker, the expert on this line, had already accepted Harriet as a Knickerbocker.


Your DNA match is descended from Harriet and David Califf.   This confirms that Harriet was another daughter of Alvin the Elder.


Vermont – David Baker

We continue the search for James Lloyd’s nemesis the elusive David (Knickerbocker) Baker born about 1790 and self-reported as being born in Vermont. It appears unlikely that David would have Schaghticoke roots. I was able to newly identify a Peter and William Knickerbocker in the 1791 census in Addison Town. Bryan has found a few new tid-bits in CT that we are trying to connect. It is probably time to start scouring the early land records on microfilm for clues.


Upcoming Studies 

·         Benjamin, son of Phillip Knickerbocker Jr. & Mary Snyder. This is a major addition to the “Benjamin” name study.

This – as with all the previous studies – will be used to reconstruct the early Knickerbocker family and connect it to the 1850 census.


Original Studies

Alexander Hamilton & The Knickerbockers Link

Knickerbockers of Pine Plains – John C. & Lydia Pulver Link

John P. Knickerbocker & Anna Couse  Link

John Knickerbocker & Lydia Jackson Link

Hugh Knickerbocker and Rachel Schram  Link

Frederick Knickerbocker – Son of Hugh and Rachel Schram Link

Many Benjamin Knickerbockers  Link

Knickerbockers in Smithville Flats, NY  Link

Knickerbocker Families of Fort Edward, NY   Link       

Migrations of the Early Knickerbockers  Link

The Father of Solomon Knickerbocker (1812-92) Identified  Link

Analysis of the Kathlyne Viele Genealogy with Translations Link

Origin of the Name Knickerbocker  Link

Original Pronunciation of Knickerbocker  Link

Many Names of Harmen Janse – Part 1 - Van Turkeyen and Van Bommel  Link

Many Names of Harmen Janse – Part 2 - Van Wye  Link

Many Names of Harmen Janse – Part 3 – Van Berghen  Link 

Chester (MA) Center Cemetery – Collaboration and A Find A Grave Study  Link


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